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Okay, so I finally the clip from the Tyra Banks show that included the two Furries who, I just found out, had their accounts banned because... well I'm not sure why they had their accounts banned. *shrug*

Honestly, I think Tyra Banks it to blame mostly for the horrible antagonizing. Of course if she says something her crowd is going to follow her lead.

What is a furry? Hmm... lets repeat what ChewFox had said in quote. "Furries are people who have an inner animal that they like to celebrate. We celebrate it through drawing ourselves and wearing costumes and other such things."

In my opinion that's pretty damn close to what I think a Furry is, right?

Tyra goes on to ask if it's like costumes at the amusement park, and if they get turned on by going to Disneyland and seeing Mickey and thinking erotic thoughts. Honestly... when you say it like that... anyone's going to laugh and those not in the fandom will obviously think less of you. Even I laughed.

Tyra: Do you have sex with the costume on?
Chewfox: Yes.
Tyra: *very loud gasp as if she's disgusted*

Chewfox said it directly she would never have sex with an animal and it's nothing like bestiality. Furries don't go around fucking horses. She goes on to say that the furry suit is like an alternate ego, which it is.

Tyra: So if I wanted to come to your wedding I'd have to wear a thing on my head.
Chewfox: You wouldn't have to.
Tyra: So are you furry-monogamous, are you furry-polygamous? (seriously wtf, Tyra?)
Chewfox: We are very monogamous, its just the two of us.

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Ok, so what people seem to think that they did an absolutely horrible job at representing the furry fandom by appearing on a talk show; a very popular talk show, and talk about having sex in a suit is what Furries do.

Idiots! Fucking idiots. Did you not hear her say numerous times that they celebrate and dance in fursuits? Did you choose to ignore the point she was driving that Furries were more than just sex? She said that 'they', as in the two on the talk show, have sex with the suits on. She never said that ALL Furries have sex with animal suits on.

Have a look at the prompt when they first start to talk about a Furries. I'm sure that Chew and Tom didn't write that prompt.

So, in my opinion it is Tyra that is at blame for poking fun at their pastimes by making, I will admit, witty commentary. If she had said nothing and let them explain I'm sure other people wouldn't think so badly.

Now on to the fact that they were on a talk show that at the time was sectioned on sex. Yes, it was very bad timing, they shouldn't have gone on on that segment, perhaps a different one. Yes, they also should have driven the point harder that the furry fandom is NOT just about the sex in costumes. But against someone like the world famous Tyra Banks, I doubt they could have gotten their point by without being interrupted.

So, now this couple have had their accounts banned, lost all their online friends, shunned by the very fandom they enjoy, and shunned by those not in the fandom. Do you think that's really fair?

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In turn I believe you 'furfags' need to fucking chill and realize that it wasn't Chewfox and Tomcat's entire fault that Furries were given an even WORSE rep now. It's all of your over-reacting that is furthering in the decent of your fandom. Because when I see that clip, then look at your crying and bitching that that's not what you are, I turn and ask: Then what are you? Now I want to know what a Furry is. Please tell me. If it's not someone who has an alternate ego in an animal shape or that likes to celebrate by dancing and dressing up in costumes, drawing themselves as those animals and enjoy the fandom itself, then tell me what a Furry is.

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In all honestly, I teeter on the edge of being and not being a Furry. I like the fandom for its art and nothing more. I enjoy anthromophic creatures. I have a fursona but I don't really treat him like he's myself. I don't fursuit, I don't go to fur-cons, and I don't associate myself with other Furries. I am myself and nothing more. Just someone who enjoys a broad band of art. If you came up to me and called me a Furry I'd chuckle and shrug. "If you want to call me that, I don't care. But I don't see myself as a furry. I'm not that into it."

Even though I'm like that, teetering on the edge, it still pisses me off went people over exaggerate things. I learned a new word and its meaning the other day. The term "Straw man" argument. Wikipedia it, you might understand what I'm thinking about those 'furfags' and their flames.

*sigh* End of rant. Sorry for the term 'furfags'. I never say that... but I felt that it was appropriate and in context.

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:iconevycrystal:
*EvyCrystal Sep 17, 2009  Student General Artist
what a mess o.O; bleh bleh outsiders never understand -_-; I watch the Tyra show here and there, but this kind of made me see that . . . she not very open minded o.O; to me she made herself sound kind of dumb? -_-;

ROFL I'm not a furry, but this sound like a huge mess to me >.>;

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Well, it's a huge mess that shouldn't have been a huge mess really. I wouldn't call her dumb... but yeah, narrow-minded works just fine.

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*EvyCrystal Sep 18, 2009  Student General Artist
yeah yeah D:

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I think the only reason people get "mad" was mainly b/c as you pointed out already, that Tyra made how bad "furries" are. True for some, not for all.

I just don't draw myself a "fursona" simply b/c of the fact that people seem to interact with that interact with that character as if it's you. I'm not too into people "nuzzling" and "licking" you on every comment... I think that's the only reason. Nor do I go to cons, etc, mainly b/c of that.

But yeah, I think they mainly got banned b/c of the ridiculous amount of traffic they were getting and to just delete their tracks? I know the FA server is quite unstable and goes down a lot and too much traffic isn't the best for the serv or for the "reputation" I guess? You know how communities when they get too big and out of hand. |D They fall apart.

The only "fault" I think that Chew and Tom had was the fact that they had to bring that up during the show (which had nothing to do with it), which cause Tyra get all grossed out, which pretty much what makes everyone else feel the "same way," b/c it's the "right" thing. ^^;

.... I just have a feeling I totally repeated what you said. 8D;;

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lol in a way you did. But I see now why they were banned. If they weren't the flames would never stop coming. Actually, I saw Chewfox's page, and it's still getting flamed.

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You did? That's oddd.. I thought there were tons of warnings to NOT flame or get banned. Lol. XD

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Yeah, I checked twice. I don't think there is anymore, but I figured people just wanted to flame them without looking at the big red text at the top.

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Lol I guess so. 8D;;; People these days..

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They got their accounts banned? Shit. Where in terms of service does it say 'Do not out furries on tv at risk of getting your account banned'?

Well, they were a nice couple to use as an example compared to some people. Honestly it's not like they said anything untrue or bad. o_o It's just... how it is. I -would- like to see some of the furries on tv who aren't in it for sex.. you know.. a bit of a PR move. Like the furry artists, maybe. I think we need more than one perspective of the fandom on tv, but sadly only certain perspectives make for good tv.

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You know I thought the same thing. "Where does it say you can't appear on TV calling yourself a furry in the rules?" But I think now its because their pages were getting flamed, causing a lot of spamming. So the admins chose to ban them, trying to end it.

And you're so right, apparently sex is the only reason to appear on TV.

Bah with it all.

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